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Scott Ware · May 13, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

OK, I've read a few of the stickies for TA, HA, etc. and my conclusion is that I'll start in RA for a little while before really sinking time into TA and HA. My question is this: My main character in PvE is a necro and I'm very familiar with most, if not all the skills for a necro. Should I focus on continuing as a Necro in PvP to develop my skills, or is it so different in PvP that it doesn't matter what class I play?

I don't want to bother anyone with "teach me how to PvP" until I've done my due diligence first, so hopefully that "logic" will pay off in the end.

I guess a second question would be, how often are necros used in higher end PvP?

Thanks in advance.

Massive Impulsa · May 13, 2009, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Play what u know best in RA / Low End Pvp (AB,JQ,FA,RA) learn the basics of that profession.

Then try and move on to other characters, and try and learn them

What's the best way to learn PvP?

Simply play pvp, and read manuals

Lux Aeterna · May 13, 2009, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Necro is a useful class in pvp and having a curses necro who knows what he's doing is a huge advantage to a team.

RA is not a good place to play pvp, neither is TA really. Both can be fun but are hugely frustrating no matter your skill level, unless you synch with a good guild.

I suggest you look for a pvp guild, start HA/TA but only if you can find a guild for them. Try to get into GvG, as it's really the highest form of pvp.

Best place for beginning pvpers is AB, it's user friendly unlike HA, but it's easy to build bad habits there. Mainly just make sure you don't go with tards, it's best to have a balanced party and enhances the game experience if your teammates don't suck.
[lingering curse][enfeeble][faintheartedness][parasitic bond][foul feast][plague sending][resurrection signet]
^ a little bit of a pvp curses build, but I play warrior.
many of those spells are probably going to be nerfed umm.... tomorrow ?

Learn to cover hex, I'm not sure if it's used against PnH monks but it's a big part of hexing. Also foul feast + plague sending. Spread hexes and conditions, never ever hex stack one target.

There's a lot to pvp, it takes some skill.

eGaming · May 13, 2009, 02:24 PM // 14:24

If your more comfortable playing a necro, do so. You probably will be required to play something else somewhere down the line; if you are needed for GvG for instance.. but to get going, use necro.

sonofthort · May 13, 2009, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Just speaking from fact, alot of people that are good at pvp started in pve. If your question relates to people that want to enter the game going straight into pvp, I might recommend starting a pve character, since that is a much more relaxing environment which slowly lays out the skills for you. Not only that, but pve is designed as a teaching tool, as it offers many hints and many quests designed to teach you the game.

Alot of people would point out the fact that pve players coming into pvp have no idea what they are doing, but they are at the proper place to begin to learn pvp.

stanzhao · May 13, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

if your just starting to learn about pvp, be prepared to lose... a lot.

play without fear, dont be afraid to try things out, but if they fail, learn from them. watch things on observer mode. be friendly to people and ask for advice, dont be obnoxious.

RA is fun to play, and there is no pressure to win in RA as much as there are the other arenas. so try and test out proffessions and see which one best fits your play style, or which one you enjoy the most and want to stick with. then you can try and dip into similar proffessions/roles.

i dont know... as a starter there are so many things to get bogged down with, so, i guess the only 'real' advice is just to stick at it and see if you enjoy it enough to move to TA, HA and GvG after time

Scott Ware · May 13, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by sonofthort

Just speaking from fact, alot of people that are good at pvp started in pve. If your question relates to people that want to enter the game going straight into pvp, I might recommend starting a pve character, since that is a much more relaxing environment which slowly lays out the skills for you. Not only that, but pve is designed as a teaching tool, as it offers many hints and many quests designed to teach you the game.

Alot of people would point out the fact that pve players coming into pvp have no idea what they are doing, but they are at the proper place to begin to learn pvp.

I appreciate all the advise. Think I'll stick with Necro for now, maybe branch out to other profs once I'm more familiar with the pace, layout, and strategies of PvP.

Sonofthort, I've been playing PvE for a little over 2 years now, so I'm not a complete noob, but I am a noob when it comes to PvP.

I've just gotten a little bored with the grind of it all. For not much, really.

Anyway, if you see me in your RA team, try not to bail. I'll do my best.

Thats Too Bad · May 14, 2009, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Say you went into AB. Most of people who had any sense went to JQ for factions or other places for actual pvp. So AB is full of "i wanna learn from we the noobs each other" people. You will find people who spam interrupts on recharge, use sin chains wrong, have monks with flesh golem and all. This does not mean JQ has non-retards either. You also see sins using chains wrong / interrupt spammers. You'd learn much faster investing your time in American RA.

in American RA you do not have as much badbuildz people. In American RA there is actually motivation to win (its where people who wish get good on pvp are, but still mostly low rank). Play as much professions you can, learn what builds work and dont work, learn what strategies work and dont work, and what team compositions tend to fail.

Once you make Gladiator 3, and ONLY when you make G3 should you move onto International RA. International RA, not during nighttime EST, tend to be full of significantly better players. Many times you will face R12+ heroes and silver/gold cape players, as it is where experienced players hang out on free time. Here you will learn what people up on mid to top will be like. Here, you will learn positioning, when interrupts will come and how to counter/cancel, advanced counter strategies, predictions and battle awareness.

But hey, it might be just me. Some others might recommend you start up from HA, which is a good idea, but just as frustrating.

Tearz1993 · May 14, 2009, 03:08 AM // 03:08

gonna be honest, if you've played PvE for even a month you will do decently in RA.

just keep practicing, try to make PvP friends, etc.

Thats Too Bad · May 14, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

very much doubt anyone who came into the game and played pve for a month can bull's right on movement, qnock and non-instinct dchop 3/4 cast, move anti-kite and not cancel frenzy under VoR after taking hit from a moderate dmg skill.

Tearz1993 · May 14, 2009, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by Thats Too Bad

very much doubt anyone who came into the game and played pve for a month can bull's right on movement, qnock and non-instinct dchop 3/4 cast, move anti-kite and not cancel frenzy under VoR after taking hit from a moderate dmg skill.

Was responding to a poster up above you, your post wasn't there because I hadn't refreshed the page.

Oh and also he wants to play a necro.

Kiluna · May 17, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Thats Too Bad

in American RA you do not have as much badbuildz people.

Haha, you kidding... right?
* You are lucky if your not onlyone having a res(sig)
* Defy Pain/Healing Hand/WoH/Healing Breeze wammos everywhere with 0 dmg output.
* Monkstompers, and only them. If they see a monk they think that the only way to win is to gank the monk, which most of the time leads to that rangers and mesmers letting the enemy team blindbot/empathy spam your physicals and diversion / migraine w/e spam your monk.
* People running the most weird builds, like monks without any sort of self defense and with a hard res.

Now having said that. I suggest the thing said earlier in this thread. Find a PvP guild that is willing to take 'new to pvp' people and play with them, and then get in TA/HA with somewhat ok teams.

For learning shake, i would stay away from RA. Don't do the same mistake as i did. I created a guild just for myself to get in AB and been too lazy to find a real guild, now i'm "stuck" in RA/TA with randoms...

Wish Swiftdeath · May 17, 2009, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Thats Too Bad

Once you make Gladiator 3, and ONLY when you make G3 should you move onto International RA. International RA, not during nighttime EST, tend to be full of significantly better players. Many times you will face R12+ heroes and silver/gold cape players, as it is where experienced players hang out on free time. Here you will learn what people up on mid to top will be like. Here, you will learn positioning, when interrupts will come and how to counter/cancel, advanced counter strategies, predictions and battle awareness.

I actually find korean dist>international

Edwards · May 17, 2009, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Thats Too Bad

non-instinct dchop 3/4 cast

It's impossible or next to impossible to reflex a 3/4 second cast with dchop. Anybody who tries, instead of using it after KDs is probably bad.

On topic, RA is a good place to develop skills and try out new builds. I wouldn't recommend staying too long in RA though. Try to join a PvP guild and make some friends who are trying to learn so that you can try other formats. Be prepared to lose. All groups lose a lot when they first start off, but if you stick with it and learn from your experience, you'll improve and start winning.

Finding a good group of people to play with is very important; don't underestimate the value of a strong core team.

Wish Swiftdeath · May 18, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

I decided to play HA this weekend for the first time in about 2 years. Basically i learned nothing new there apart from finding good channeling balls, alot of the players were worse than me and if we lost it was due to build wars. HOWEVER I made at least 10-15 new friends and got in a new PvP guild.

I learned far more skillswise playing RA international/korean and TA. So i'd recommend going there if you want to improve your skills whilst going to HA to make new friends and get connections.

Just my 2 cents

Thats Too Bad · May 18, 2009, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Kiluna

Haha, you kidding... right?

Im not kidding. I dont see as much flesh golem monks there or ones that use a useless elite and stacks a bunch of 10-15e skills on their bars.

Maybe 3/4 is a lil too much... 1 sec reflex dchop is standard.

Yeah guild is probably the best way to get a higher rank... Ive heard of only a couple people that would be considered *awesome players* by the elites that pugged their way through in HA... so go get a guild once u get that bambi (means R3 emote).

But always remember, rank does not mean skill, higher rank means general non-fail probability. If you find good players. ADD THEM to ur list.

Lux Aeterna · May 18, 2009, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by Thats Too Bad

Maybe 3/4 is a lil too much... 1 sec reflex dchop is standard.

Not really, dchop is virtually useless as a reflex interrupt.

Best way to use it I think, is to bull's strike, attack, attack, stop, dchop just as target stands up (same technique as Qknocking, faster attack speed).

Savage slash is much better, you can actually reflex 5/4 casts if you know they're coming.

Tried playing shock axe today, hated it, went right back to devhammer. <3

Snow Bunny · May 18, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Thatstoobad, it's extremely difficult to reflex a 1sec with dchop, even under frenzy. It's heavily reliant on ping, and even then it's pretty hard.

Reflexing shit with dchop isn't "standard" by any means. A good warrior will predict when a monk does it, and this isn't limited to dchopping after a KD.

I have for sure reflexed 3/4casts with savage slash before, but that's the difference between a 1/2cast interrupt and a normal cast.

To get into PvP, I would pug out Glad 1 and Hero 3...after that you should have played with enough players to friend's list some people and make contacts. GW PvP is all about networking.

Orange Milk · May 18, 2009, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I'd say the best way to learn PvP is - Sober

Don't try learning while drunk.

Also maybe get a little hopped up on Mt. Dew while PvPing that helps sometimes.

Also Do as Snow Bunny Says, make a friends list of PvP types.

DOWNLOAD VENTRILO AND TEAMSPEAK AND BUY A MICROPHONE HEADSET.

You wanna get serious about PvP you got talk live not via chat.

Downlaod Ventrilo and Teamspeak and fiddle around with those two programs a bit and learn the basics of them. majority of folks use Ventrilo, but there are still some folks that use Team Speak so have both. You don't wanna get in a group and have them say "You have Vent?" and you reply "No, lemme try to unlock it, Is that a Blood Skill?" Very noobish

Random Arena your nut sack off in your spare time with TA and HA builds, sure they may not work exactly in the RA format, but you will get used to your skills and your energy managment. Plus you get very important Balt Faction. (ill get to that)

ROLL PVP ONLY CHARACTERS, the "J" key for PvP onlys IS WITHOUT A DOUBT the greatest addition that ANet has made to this game. You dont want to be in a group and have them say "Add a Death Magic rune" and have you say "I don't have armor for that" very noobish

DONT BUY ZKEYS

Use that Baltazar Faction to Unlock every skill, rune and piece of equiptment in the game. If you wanna PvP UAX is way morre important than firewater and Creme Brule. LAst thing you wanna do is get into a group and have them say "Drop leetskill1 for super OP skill 69" and you say "I do not have that unlocked" very noobish

Learn the current meta builds and practice those in RA, don't make up bars, use what all the cool kids are using because that will be the build you will need to get into a group.

Ok, thats enough for now, I need a beer, Good luck.

Reverend Dr · May 18, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

I'd say the best way to learn PvP is - Sober

Don't try learning while drunk.

This is not necessarily true. You should learn to PvP in whatever state you will normally play PvP. If you are going to play PvP drunk, then learn it drunk. If you are going to play tweeked on caffeine, then learn tweeked on caffeine. If you are going to play stoned, then learn stoned.